> but the costs of Gold OA will differ radically before and
> after universal Green OA has been reached.
I wonder in what why the cost of Gold OA would differ? Publishing a
journal now with <100% Green OA and publishing a journal in future
when we reached 100% Green OA will generate exactly the same costs.
Salaries for editors will be the same, costs for office space will be
the same, marketing costs will be the same, administrative costs will
be the same, costs for a publishing infrastructure (servers, softwares,
etc.) will be the same, etc.
By the way, do not forget to calculate the real and opportunity costs of
Green OA. One should include the researchers salaries into the calcs for
their time spent on filling out online forms to put a PDF online (some
10 minutes per PDf file?). Then also include the opportunity costs: the
researcher will not be able to spend those 10 minutes on productive
research.
Gold OA Publishers are already managing to publish journals at 1/3 of
the costs that traditional, subscription-based Publishers and societies
do. I do not think it is appropriate to constantly discredit the OA
Publishers' work. In fact what is ridiculous is to pay OA fees to
a subscription-based Publisher, so that this one can charge twice - once
the author and once the reader. May be universities should start to
forbid these kind of payments.
Best,
Dietrich
Stevan Harnad wrote:
> By all means commit available institutional and research funds to pay Gold OA publishing fees, and study the outcome -- but don't forget to mandate Green OA first!
>
> Not only will that generate far more OA at no extra cost, but the costs of Gold OA will differ radically before and after universal Green OA has been reached.
>
> '"Open Access: The Historic Irony"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/727-guid.html
>
> "Never Pay Pre-Emptively For Gold OA Before First Mandating Green OA"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/714-guid.html
>
> "On Not Putting The Gold OA-Payment Cart Before The Green OA-Provision Horse"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/630-guid.html
>
> "SCOAP3 and the pre-emptive "flip" model for Gold OA conversion"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/421-guid.html
>
> "Compact for Open-Access Publishing Equity [COPE]: Mistaking intent for action?"
> http://poynder.blogspot.com/2009/09/compact-for-open-access-publishing.html
>
> "Putting Principled Support Into Practice: What Provosts Need to Mandate"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/117-guid.html
>
> Harnad, S. (2007) The Green Road to Open Access: A Leveraged Transition. In: Anna Gacs (Ed.).The Culture of Periodicals from the Perspective of the Electronic Age. L’Harmattan. 99-106. http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/
>
> Harnad, S. (2009) The PostGutenberg Open Access Journal. In: Cope, B. & Phillips, A (Eds.) The Future of the Academic Journal. Chandos. http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/15617/
>
> Harnad, S., Brody, T., Vallieres, F., Carr, L., Hitchcock, S., Gingras, Y, Oppenheim, C., Stamerjohanns, H., & Hilf, E. (2004) The green and the gold roads to Open Access. Nature Web Focus. http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html
>
> On 2010-05-04, at 11:30 AM, Jennifer McLennan wrote:
>
>> Open-access funds: Design and implementation on campus
>> A SPARC Webcast
>> Wednesday, May 5, 2010
>> 1:00 – 2:00PM EST
>> Registration is free, but required. RSVP by May 4 at http://www.arl.org/sparc/meetings/event_registration.shtml.
>>
>> An open-access fund is a pool of money set aside by an institution to support publication models that enable free, immediate, online distribution of, and access to, scholarly research. In late 2009, open-access funds gained prominence when a number of high-profile institutions signed the Compact for Open-Access Publishing Equity (COPE). COPE encouraged universities and research funding agencies to develop “durable mechanisms for underwriting reasonable publication charges for articles written by its faculty and published in fee-based open-access journals.”
>>
>> SPARC has recently taken a number of visible steps to support further exploration of the open-access fund model. SPARC’s activities include compiling data from every North American university with a fund and rendering it accessible for further analysis; creating a practical guide for institutions evaluating the implementation of an open-access fund; and publishing an online clearinghouse that includes frequently asked questions, case studies, links to further reading, and a variety of other tools to facilitate greater understanding and evaluation of open-access funds. Visit http://www.arl.org/sparc/openaccess/funds/index.shtml for access to these resources.
>>
>> On May 5, 2010, SPARC consultant and author of these new resources, Greg Tananbaum, will join us to explore why institutions are launching open-access funds, what practical and policy issues go into such a decision, how faculty and administration have reacted to these funds, what the results to date have been, and what SPARC is doing to evaluate and track the impact of these funds. Members of the advisory group that helped to develop the guide and SPARC resource, and whose experience in operating funds on their campuses has been an essential resource for others in the space, will also be available to field questions.
>>
>> Please join us.
>>
>> Open-access funds: Design and implementation on campus
>> A SPARC Webcast
>> Wednesday, May 5, 2010
>> 1:00 – 2:00PM EST
>> Registration is free, but required. RSVP by May 4 at http://www.arl.org/sparc/meetings/event_registration.shtml.
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Jennifer McLennan
>> Director of Programs & Operations
>> SPARC
>> jennifer -- arl.org
>> (202) 296-2296 x121
>> Fax: (202) 872-0884
>> *******************************
>> SPARC 2010 Digital Repositories Meeting
>> November 8 & 9 - Baltimore, MD
>> http://www.arl.org/sparc/media/09-0223.shtml
>> *******************************
>> Open Access Week 2010
>> October 18 - 24. Everywhere.
>> http://www.openaccessweek.org
>> *******************************
>> http://www.arl.org/sparc
>>
>> Visit the Web archive at <https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/SPARC-IR/>
>>
>
Kind regards,
Dietrich Rordorf
--
Mr Dietrich Rordorf
MDPI Publishing
Kandererstrasse 25
CH-4057 Basel, Switzerland
Tel. +41 61 683 77 35 (office)
Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile)
Fax +41 61 302 89 18
Skype: d.rordorf
E-mail: rordorf_at_mdpi.org
http://www.mdpi.com/
Stevan Harnad wrote:
> By all means commit available institutional and research funds to pay Gold OA publishing fees, and study the outcome -- but don't forget to mandate Green OA first!
>
> Not only will that generate far more OA at no extra cost, but the costs of Gold OA will differ radically before and after universal Green OA has been reached.
>
> '"Open Access: The Historic Irony"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/727-guid.html
>
> "Never Pay Pre-Emptively For Gold OA Before First Mandating Green OA"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/714-guid.html
>
> "On Not Putting The Gold OA-Payment Cart Before The Green OA-Provision Horse"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/630-guid.html
>
> "SCOAP3 and the pre-emptive "flip" model for Gold OA conversion"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/421-guid.html
>
> "Compact for Open-Access Publishing Equity [COPE]: Mistaking intent for action?"
> http://poynder.blogspot.com/2009/09/compact-for-open-access-publishing.html
>
> "Putting Principled Support Into Practice: What Provosts Need to Mandate"
> http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/117-guid.html
>
> Harnad, S. (2007) The Green Road to Open Access: A Leveraged Transition. In: Anna Gacs (Ed.).The Culture of Periodicals from the Perspective of the Electronic Age. L’Harmattan. 99-106. http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13309/
>
> Harnad, S. (2009) The PostGutenberg Open Access Journal. In: Cope, B. & Phillips, A (Eds.) The Future of the Academic Journal. Chandos. http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/15617/
>
> Harnad, S., Brody, T., Vallieres, F., Carr, L., Hitchcock, S., Gingras, Y, Oppenheim, C., Stamerjohanns, H., & Hilf, E. (2004) The green and the gold roads to Open Access. Nature Web Focus. http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html
>
> On 2010-05-04, at 11:30 AM, Jennifer McLennan wrote:
>
>> Open-access funds: Design and implementation on campus
>> A SPARC Webcast
>> Wednesday, May 5, 2010
>> 1:00 – 2:00PM EST
>> Registration is free, but required. RSVP by May 4 at http://www.arl.org/sparc/meetings/event_registration.shtml.
>>
>> An open-access fund is a pool of money set aside by an institution to support publication models that enable free, immediate, online distribution of, and access to, scholarly research. In late 2009, open-access funds gained prominence when a number of high-profile institutions signed the Compact for Open-Access Publishing Equity (COPE). COPE encouraged universities and research funding agencies to develop “durable mechanisms for underwriting reasonable publication charges for articles written by its faculty and published in fee-based open-access journals.”
>>
>> SPARC has recently taken a number of visible steps to support further exploration of the open-access fund model. SPARC’s activities include compiling data from every North American university with a fund and rendering it accessible for further analysis; creating a practical guide for institutions evaluating the implementation of an open-access fund; and publishing an online clearinghouse that includes frequently asked questions, case studies, links to further reading, and a variety of other tools to facilitate greater understanding and evaluation of open-access funds. Visit http://www.arl.org/sparc/openaccess/funds/index.shtml for access to these resources.
>>
>> On May 5, 2010, SPARC consultant and author of these new resources, Greg Tananbaum, will join us to explore why institutions are launching open-access funds, what practical and policy issues go into such a decision, how faculty and administration have reacted to these funds, what the results to date have been, and what SPARC is doing to evaluate and track the impact of these funds. Members of the advisory group that helped to develop the guide and SPARC resource, and whose experience in operating funds on their campuses has been an essential resource for others in the space, will also be available to field questions.
>>
>> Please join us.
>>
>> Open-access funds: Design and implementation on campus
>> A SPARC Webcast
>> Wednesday, May 5, 2010
>> 1:00 – 2:00PM EST
>> Registration is free, but required. RSVP by May 4 at http://www.arl.org/sparc/meetings/event_registration.shtml.
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Jennifer McLennan
>> Director of Programs & Operations
>> SPARC
>> jennifer -- arl.org
>> (202) 296-2296 x121
>> Fax: (202) 872-0884
>> *******************************
>> SPARC 2010 Digital Repositories Meeting
>> November 8 & 9 - Baltimore, MD
>> http://www.arl.org/sparc/media/09-0223.shtml
>> *******************************
>> Open Access Week 2010
>> October 18 - 24. Everywhere.
>> http://www.openaccessweek.org
>> *******************************
>> http://www.arl.org/sparc
>>
>> Visit the Web archive at <https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/SPARC-IR/>
>>
>
--
Dear Dr.
Thank you very much for your message.
We are looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards,
Dietrich Rordorf
--
Mr Dietrich Rordorf
MDPI Publishing
Kandererstrasse 25
CH-4057 Basel, Switzerland
Tel. +41 61 683 77 35 (office)
Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile)
Fax +41 61 302 89 18
Skype: d.rordorf
E-mail: rordorf_at_mdpi.org
http://www.mdpi.com/
Received on Tue May 04 2010 - 20:05:39 BST