google books
The Journal of Hellenic studies - Page 195
1818
It is characteristic of Mr. Glover's catholic treatment that, although
he is on the side of the angels all the time,
http://books.google.com/books?id=KVPQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA195&dq=%22side+of+the
+angels%22&hl=en&ei=M3crTMPnKsP38AaXnPTRCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result
&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ
The works of Lord Byron: with his letters and journals, and his life -
Page 202 1839
It was taken for granted that Lucifer was the mouthpiece of Byron, that
the author of Don Juan was not "on the side of the angels."
http://books.google.com/books?id=xyuaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA202&dq=%22side+of+the
+angels%22&hl=en&ei=M3crTMPnKsP38AaXnPTRCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result
&resnum=3&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg
etc.
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To my knowledge, Disraeli's was the first use of the idiom.
Charles
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:30 AM, C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim_at_lboro.ac.uk>
wrote:
> Yes indeed, Disraeli made the remarks at Oxford 25 November 1864, and
his words were reported in The Times the following day.
That Disraeli said it on November 25, 1864 is uncontested. The
question is whether that was when the idiom was born, for that purpose
and in that context (Darwinism), or was he simply using an idiom that
already had a long history, in the more general sense the dictionary
notes below.
Chrs, Stevan
> On 2010-06-30, at 12:04 AM, Joseph Esposito wrote:
>
>> No comment about the Royal Society's practices, but perhaps a
>> listmember can assist in the origin of the phrase "the side of
>> the angels." My understanding is that the phrase was uttered by
>> Benjamin Disraeli in a speech in which he challenged Darwin's
>> theory (law?) of evolution. To be on the side of the angels was
>> to oppose the idea that people descended from apes. To be on the
>> side of the angels thus means to oppose science.
>>
>> If I have my history wrong, I would like to be corrected.
>>
>> If I am correct, however, it would be more appropriate for
>> Professor Harnad to say that the Royal Society was on the side of
>> the apes.
>
> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/on+the+side+of+the+angels
> "on the side of the angels"
> supporting what is kind, right, or good
> "She was on the side of the angels even though it was neither
profitable nor popular."
> See also: angel, side
> Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright (c) Cambridge
University Press 2006. Reproduced with permission.
>
> Joseph's etymology for the idiom may or may not be right. (I rather
suspect the idiom pre-dated Darwin.)
>
> That said, I'd be only to happy to see a green policy on Open Access
self-archiving as being on the side of our fellow-hominids, the apes!
>
> I am right now attending a summer institute on the origins of language
--
http://www.summer10.isc.uqam.ca/page/programme.php -- and happily
supporting the hypothesis that language created our "Cognitive Commons,
"and could never even have arisen, let alone have conferred its untold
mutual benefits on our species, had we, from the outset, clammed up
rather than spoken (or gestured, rather) freely, for all to see and
hear... (Paid consultations, keynotes and how-to books came only much
later.)
>
> Poynder, R. (2007) From Glottogenesis to the Category Commons. The
Basement Interviews.
>
http://ia361300.us.archive.org/13/items/The_Basement_Interviews/Stevan_H
arnad_Interview.pdf
>
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