Karen,
I very much appreciate you pointing out that my posting could have
been interpreted as a rallying call to IR Managers and Administrators
to systematically download Elsevier items on behalf of authors. This
is not what I meant - my apologies.
Where I originally said:
"This is really good news because it gives us (Repository Managers
and Administrators) a window of opportunity to always get hold of the
final accepted peer-reviewed manuscript for Elsevier items (assuming
your institution subscribes to the journal in question)."
I should have said:
"This is really good news because it gives us (Repository Managers
and Administrators) the opportunity to inform our academics that
there may well be an online version of their accepted manuscript that
they can retrieve, should they have failed to retain it themselves."
I have to say that, while I am not averse to occasional third-party
depositing, on the whole I believe Green OA can only be sustainable
if the academics themselves are choosing to do it. If IR Managers and
Administrators are busying around in the background, mass-uploading
items without the knowledge of authors, yes your repository may grow
substantially in size and it may look to the outside world that Green
OA is taking off, but have you actually embedded OA into the culture
of your institution? I suspect not. We have to encourage
self-archiving because only by doing it themselves, engaging with
their IR on a regular basis, will our academics become aware of how
much there is to gain for what is actually very little pain.
On that note, just to reiterate (and again I thank Karen for pulling
me up on this), I am certainly not advocating that we in any way
trawl Science Direct for accepted manuscripts. That would, in my
opinion, be a non-sustainable approach and detrimental to the
coexistence of IRs and academic publishing.
Colin Smith
Research Repository Manager
Open Research Online (ORO)
Open University Library
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA
Tel: +44(0)1908 332971
Email: c.j.smith_at_open.ac.uk
http://oro.open.ac.uk
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From: American Scientist Open Access Forum
[mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG]
On Behalf Of Hunter, Karen A (ELS-NYC)
Sent: 26 November 2008 19:53
To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
Subject: Re: Elsevier Again Confirms Its Position on the Side of the
Green OA Angels
As much as Elsevier appreciates praise for its policies, we also
want to prevent misunderstanding.
We are grateful that Colin Smith, Research Repository Manager of the
Open University, approached us with a question on our author posting
policy. Mr. Smith had noticed that for some journals an early
"accepted manuscript" version of an author's paper was available on
ScienceDirect and he wanted to know if authors could download it and
deposit it to their institutional repositories. As our longstanding
policy permits authors to voluntarily post their own author
manuscripts to their personal website or institutional repository, we
responded that we would not object to an author downloading this
version.
However, our broader policy prohibits systematic downloading or
posting. Therefore, it is not permitted for IR managers or any other
third party to download articles or any other version such as
articles-in-press or accepted manuscripts from ScienceDirect and post
them. To the extent that Colin Smith's message could be read as
encouraging IR managers to download, it is a misinterpretation of our
position.
Karen Hunter
Senior Vice President
Elsevier
k.hunter_at_elsevier.com
____________________________________________________________________________
From: American Scientist Open Access Forum
[mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG]
On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:54 AM
To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
Subject: Fwd: Elsevier Again Confirms Its Position on the Side of the
Green OA Angels
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Elsevier Still Solidly on the Side of the Angels on Open Access
http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/268-guid.html
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From: C.J.Smith
Sent: 26 November 2008 10:05
To: UKCORR-DISCUSSION-- JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Elsevier final draft versions
A short while ago I mentioned on this list that Elsevier are
producing PDFs of the final accepted peer-reviewed manuscript and
publishing them online as part of their 'Articles in Press' system
(see attached example). The 'Accepted Manuscript' will stay online
until the 'Uncorrected Proof' replaces it.
Everyone knows that Elsevier's policy (like most other publishers)
allows the use of the final accepted peer-reviewed manuscript in
repositories, but I wondered whether they would be happy about us
making use of the 'Accepted Manuscript' version they are producing
and publishing online.
The answer (officially - from Daviess Menefee, Director of Library
Relations at Elsevier) is 'yes'.
This is really good news because it gives us (Repository Managers
and Administrators) a window of opportunity to always get hold of the
final accepted peer-reviewed manuscript for Elsevier items (assuming
your institution subscribes to the journal in question). The 'window
of opportunity' is that time between which the 'Accepted Manuscript'
appears online and is replaced by the 'Uncorrected Proof'.
Colin Smith
Research Repository Manager
Open Research Online (ORO)
Open University Library
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA
Tel: +44(0)1908 332971
Email: c.j.smith -- open.ac.uk
http://oro.open.ac.uk
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