that's what i thought. a librarian's/archivist's nightmare.-- bq
[But a researcher's dream. Open Access is needed, and provided,
by and for research and researchers, not -- with all due admiration
and respect -- by or for librarians or archivists (though they are
great allies as long as they keep researchers' real needs in mind)!
--- SH]
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Quint <bquint_at_mindspring.com>
Sent: Aug 9, 2004 6:59 AM
To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
Subject: Re: Eprint versions and removals
[Moderator's Note: Replies follow each question below]
I've been watching this debate and something puzzles me.
Where are all these self-archived articles coming from?
[Their own authors are self-archiving them.]
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#who-self-archive
Do the "green light" publishers send digital copies back to the authors?
[Some give the green light for the author to use the publisher;s
PDF version, others only to use the author's own digital versioni.]
http://romeo.eprints.org/publishers.html
As an editor, I'm assuming that some of the text has been changed as it
goes through the editorial process.
[Correct, especially from unrefereed preprint to refereed postprint.]
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#What-is-Eprint
So are the self-archives of the edited "final" versions or of the author's
initial submissions?
[If the green light is for the refereed, edited final version,
that is what is self-archived; otherwise the preprint plus
corrections.]
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#copyright1
Or would there be more than one version, e.g. an author's edition (like
a director's cut video) that includes portions that didn't appear in the
"printed" article as well as the published one?
[Authors can self-archive all signitificant stages of their work,
including pospublication corrections, updates and enhancements.
The essential target of OA, though, is contents of the peer-reviewed
final draft.]
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#23.Version
barbara quint
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http://www.infotoday.com/searcher</PRE>
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Lee Miller wrote:
> Dear Stevan,
>
> "Open Access and the Future of Scientific Publishing" by Carrie Lock,
> recently appeared in *Science Editor*, vol. 27, no. 4, pp. 22-23. This
> article, like many in the popular press, deals exclusively with open-access
> journals. The BioMed Central, PubMed Central, and PLoS models are briefly
> described. It does not once mention the possibility of placing an article
> in an open-access personal, institutional, or discipline archive while also
> publishing it in a peer-reviewed toll-access journal. Institutional
> archives are mentioned only in the context of some future model of
> publishing wherein journals will exist only to offer a Seal of Approval to
> archived articles.
>
> What bothers me about this article is that it did not appear in the popular
> press. It appeared in a professional journal for editors, published by the
> Council of Science Editors. This is an organization for which you presented
> a Keynote Address on self-archiving at their annual meeting in 2003. A
> report of that address appeared in the same journal last October:
>
> Miller, Lee. 2003. Author/Institution Self-Archiving and the Future of
> Peer-Reviewed Journals.
> A Report on the Keynote Address by Stevan Harnad at the 2003 Annual Meeting
> of the Council
> of Science Editors. Science Editor 26 (5): 150-151.
>
> As you and David Prosser have pointed out in this Forum, 84% of the 8242
> journals surveyed to date have given their authors the green light to
> self-archive their articles in open-access archives. It astonishes me that
> authors of articles on open access continue to pretend that open-access
> journals provide the only way to offer free world-wide access to their
> articles.
>
> When are authors going to wake up? They can increase the impact of the
> articles they publish in respected, well-established print journals simply
> by making those articles instantly available in open-access archives. The
> increased impact inevitably will increase the stature of the journals that
> published those articles. That's the message that many editors and
> publishers ... and authors of articles on open-access publishing ... seem
> to be missing.
>
> Lee Miller
> 185 Midline Road
> Slaterville Springs, NY 14881 USA
>
> (607) 539-7508
> lnm2_at_cornell.edu
barbara quint
editor, searcher magazine
932 11th st., suite 9
santa monica, ca 90403
310/451-0252
310/393-6911 (fax)
bquint_at_mindspring.com
http://www.infotoday.com/searcher
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