It seems to me that invoking cloture on Henderson's perfectly reasonable points
seems sadly symptomatic of the autocratic and intolerant way this debate is
being conducted. Stevan, surely you can admit some disagreement?
Iain Stevenson
[Moderator's Note: Iain Stevenson is a new-comer to this Forum, which
has been ongoing since September 1998 with over 3500 postings since
that time. The Forum also has a full archive, at
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html
Before he recommends that the other 500 or so participants in this
Forum begin receiving the "Spend More on Libraries" postings all
over again, I suggest Iain read them for himself. Then report
back to the Forum. And this is not a debate, but a Forum for
discussing means of providing Open Access to the Peer-Reviewed
Research Literature. Moderating's a tough (and thankless) job,
but someone's gotta do it... -- S.H.]
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/author.html
# Albert Henderson
* Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library
Underfunding" (Thu Feb 12 2004 - 17:07:13 GMT)
* Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library
Underfunding" (Thu Feb 12 2004 - 14:31:36 GMT)
* Re: Author Publication Charge Debate (Tue Feb 10 2004 -
18:20:07 GMT)
* Re: Author Publication Charge Debate (Tue Feb 10 2004 -
16:17:14 GMT)
* Re: Author Publication Charge Debate (Tue Feb 10 2004 -
02:27:48 GMT)
* Re: Author Publication Charge Debate (Thu Jan 22 2004 -
17:20:25 GMT)
* Re: Scientific publishing is not just about administering
peer-review (Mon Oct 20 2003 - 12:31:14 BST)
* Re: Scientific publishing is not just about administering
peer-review (Thu Oct 16 2003 - 21:38:16 BST)
* Re: Scientific publishing is not just about administering
peer-review (Thu Oct 16 2003 - 12:19:23 BST)
* Re: How to compare research impact of toll- vs. open-access
research (Mon Sep 08 2003 - 23:21:26 BST)
* Re: Spend More on Libraries (Thu Jul 24 2003 - 21:10:22 BST)
* Re: Self-archiving publications containing quotations (Thu
Jun 12 2003 - 22:39:21 BST)
* Self-archiving publications containing quotations (Thu Jun
12 2003 - 19:14:49 BST)
* Re: Eprint versions and removals (Tue Jun 10 2003 - 23:01:05
BST)
* Re: Journal expenses and publication costs (Fri Jan 17 2003
- 16:31:14 GMT)
* Re: A Note of Caution About "Reforming the System" (Thu Jan
16 2003 - 17:12:59 GMT)
* Re: Nature's vs. Science's Embargo Policy (Thu Jan 16 2003 -
16:54:37 GMT)
* Re: The archival status of archived papers (Tue Dec 24 2002
- 11:37:04 GMT)
* Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from
the Optional (Mon Dec 16 2002 - 19:44:00 GMT)
* Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from
the Optional (Thu Dec 12 2002 - 15:01:52 GMT)
* Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from
the (Tue Dec 10 2002 - 18:10:35 GMT)
* Re: The Economist: Publish and perish (Wed Dec 04 2002 -
02:46:27 GMT)
* Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library
Underfunding" (Tue Oct 08 2002 - 17:32:45 BST)
* Re: Responses to Walt Crawford's reflections on FOS (Mon Oct
07 2002 - 13:18:08 BST)
* Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library
Underfunding" (Mon Sep 16 2002 - 17:53:51 BST)
* Re: Garfield: "Acknowledged Self-Archiving is Not Prior
Publication" (Fri Sep 13 2002 - 04:06:04 BST)
* Re: Garfield: "Acknowledged Self-Archiving is Not Prior
Publication" (Thu Sep 12 2002 - 22:30:27 BST)
* Re: Garfield: "Acknowledged Self-Archiving is Not Prior
Publication" (Thu Sep 12 2002 - 14:28:21 BST)
* Re: Garfield: "Acknowledged Self-Archiving is Not Prior
Publication" (Wed Sep 04 2002 - 00:37:51 BST)
* Re: Paying Referees? (Tue Aug 20 2002 - 00:30:18 BST)
* Re: Paper not accepted by a journal - still a pre-print? (Thu
Aug 08 2002 - 13:25:54 BST)
* Re: Book on future of STM publishers (Wed Jul 24 2002 -
23:46:46 BST)
* Re: Ingenta to offer OAI eprint service (Wed Jul 24 2002 - 23:46:46
BST)
* Re: Book on future of STM publishers (Thu Jul 18 2002 -
21:09:12 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Mon Apr 08 2002 - 13:10:41 BST)
* Re: Interview with Derk Haank, CEO, Elsevier (Tue Apr 02 2002
- 20:27:05 BST)
* Re: Peer Review Reform Hypothesis-Testing (Mon Feb 25 2002 -
22:36:00 GMT)
* Re: Clarification of "parasitism" and copyright (David Goodman)
(Mon Feb 11 2002 - 22:30:09 GMT)
* Clarification of "parasitism" and copyright (Stevan Harnad)
(Fri Feb 08 2002 - 00:39:57 GMT)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Tue Jan 08 2002 - 02:05:59 GMT)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Mon Dec 17 2001 - 23:30:52 GMT)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Mon Dec 10 2001 - 22:37:54 GMT)
* Re: The Ultimate Danger of SkyReading/Writing (Mon Dec 03
2001 - 18:30:09 GMT)
* Re: The Ultimate Danger of SkyReading/Writing (Thu Nov 29
2001 - 11:03:34 GMT)
* The Ultimate Danger of SkyReading/Writing (Mon Nov 26 2001 -
22:37:29 GMT)
* Re: Copyright: Form, Content, and Prepublication Incarnations
(Fri Nov 16 2001 - 03:53:52 GMT)
* Re: Copyright: Form, Content, and Prepublication Incarnations
(Thu Nov 15 2001 - 20:35:40 GMT)
* Re: Copyright: Form, Content, and Prepublication Incarnations
(Thu Nov 15 2001 - 13:19:33 GMT)
* Re: Copyright: Form, Content, and Prepublication Incarnations
(Wed Oct 24 2001 - 13:53:46 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Tue
Aug 21 2001 - 20:48:03 BST)
* Re: "Let Them Eat Cake..." (M. Antoinette) (Tue Aug 21 2001
- 21:25:45 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Tue
Aug 21 2001 - 13:49:09 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Tue
Aug 21 2001 - 13:33:56 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Mon
Aug 20 2001 - 21:46:44 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Mon
Aug 20 2001 - 21:46:43 BST)
* Re: Reasons for freeing the primary research literature (Thu
Aug 16 2001 - 18:46:03 BST)
* Re: Financial Times Article on Self-Archiving: 23 July 2001
(Wed Aug 01 2001 - 14:40:29 BST)
* Re: Financial Times Article on Self-Archiving: 23 July 2001
(Tue Jul 31 2001 - 22:22:13 BST)
* Re: Financial Times Article on Self-Archiving: 23 July 2001
(Tue Jul 31 2001 - 13:57:37 BST)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Thu Jul 26 2001 - 21:33:32 BST)
* Re: Distinguishing the Essentials from the Optional Add-Ons
(Thu Jul 26 2001 - 19:31:31 BST)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Thu Jul 26 2001 - 19:31:30 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Wed Jul 25 2001 - 18:56:41 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Wed Jul 25 2001 - 03:08:30 BST)
* Re: Financial Times Article on Self-Archiving: 23 July 2001
(Tue Jul 24 2001 - 22:17:27 BST)
* Re: PubScience under threat (Mon Jul 02 2001 - 23:40:22 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Thu Jun 28 2001 - 21:20:39 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Wed Jun 27 2001 - 21:54:15 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Wed Jun 27 2001 - 21:54:17 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Tue Jun 26 2001 - 18:19:49 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Tue Jun 26 2001 - 02:40:25 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Fri Jun 22 2001 - 13:47:20 BST)
* Re: Review Journals (Wed Jun 13 2001 - 12:22:32 BST)
* Re: Self-archiving downstream (Mon Jun 11 2001 - 22:27:39
BST)
* Re: Copyright, Embargo, and the Ingelfinger Rule (Tue Jun 05
2001 - 23:25:25 BST)
* Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Tue Jun 05 2001 - 17:54:29 BST)
* Re: Copyright, Embargo, and the Ingelfinger Rule (Tue Jun 05
2001 - 15:50:24 BST)
* PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research
(Fri Jun 01 2001 - 00:29:24 BST)
* Re: Zen response to e-Archiving Challenge (Wed May 30 2001 -
22:10:44 BST)
* Re: Zen response to e-Archiving Challenge (Tue May 29 2001 -
19:23:30 BST)
* Re: Zen response to e-Archiving Challenge (Fri May 25 2001 -
14:23:59 BST)
* Re: Zen response to e-Archiving Challenge (Fri May 25 2001 -
14:04:03 BST)
* Zen response to e-Archiving Challenge (Thu May 24 2001 -
23:26:09 BST)
* Re: Top 10 reasons why print journals have a future (Tue Apr
10 2001 - 01:37:18 BST)
* Re: Validation of posted archives (Tue Mar 27 2001 - 14:08:13
BST)
* Re: Validation of posted archives (Wed Mar 21 2001 - 23:18:42
GMT)
* Re: Journal costs (Mon Feb 26 2001 - 23:19:26 GMT)
* Re: Information Exchange Groups (IEGs) (Wed Jan 31 2001 -
13:13:51 GMT)
* Re: Information Exchange Groups (IEGs) (Wed Jan 31 2001 -
04:12:53 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Mon Jan 29 2001 -
23:42:35 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Mon Jan 29 2001 -
23:42:28 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Mon Jan 29 2001 -
23:42:23 GMT)
* Re: Information Exchange Groups (IEGs) (Mon Jan 29 2001 -
23:42:26 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Fri Jan 26 2001 -
04:19:45 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Fri Jan 26 2001 -
04:19:42 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Thu Jan 25 2001 -
14:50:42 GMT)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Wed Jan 24 2001 -
02:42:13 GMT)
* Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library
Underfunding" (Thu Oct 05 2000 - 12:05:34 BST)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Tue Oct 03 2000 -
21:14:54 BST)
* Re: Replies to questions about "electronic journals" (Mon Oct
02 2000 - 19:16:12 BST)
* Re: The True Cost of the Essentials (Implementing Peer Review)
(Tue Sep 26 2000 - 03:24:23 BST)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Mon Sep 18 2000 -
22:58:23 BST)
* Re: Recent Comments by Albert Henderson (Mon Sep 18 2000 -
22:58:33 BST)
* Re: Librarians and the Ginsparg model (Mon Sep 11 2000 -
23:02:31 BST)
* Re: Electronic archiving and IIS talk (Mon Sep 11 2000 -
15:36:21 BST)
* Re: Librarians and the Ginsparg model (Fri Sep 08 2000 -
12:42:59 BST)
* Re: Etymology of "Eprint" (Wed Aug 23 2000 - 03:57:44 BST)
* Re: Etymology of "Eprint" (Tue Aug 22 2000 - 21:55:11 BST)
* Re: Authors "Victorious" in UnCover Copyright Suit (Mon Aug
14 2000 - 22:08:05 BST)
* Re: Authors "Victorious" in UnCover Copyright Suit (Mon Aug
14 2000 - 22:08:03 BST)
* Re: Authors "Victorious" in UnCover Copyright Suit (Fri Aug
11 2000 - 03:48:07 BST)
* Re: Authors "Victorious" in UnCover Copyright Suit (Thu Aug
10 2000 - 15:10:13 BST)
* Re: Economist article + Faustian bargain (Mon May 15 2000 -
21:44:05 BST)
* Re: ACS meeting comments on e-prints (Thu Apr 06 2000 -
01:50:34 BST)
* Re: ACS meeting comments on e-prints (Thu Apr 06 2000 -
01:50:32 BST)
* Re: ACS meeting comments on e-prints (Wed Apr 05 2000 -
04:56:07 BST)
* Re: Medical journals are dead. Long live medical journals
(Mon Mar 06 2000 - 15:10:33 GMT)
* Re: Medical journals are dead. Long live medical journals
(Wed Mar 01 2000 - 13:37:45 GMT)
* Re: Medical journals are dead. Long live medical journals
(Tue Feb 29 2000 - 13:23:34 GMT)
* Re: Medical journals are dead. Long live medical journals
(Mon Feb 28 2000 - 23:12:20 GMT)
* Discussing is Ok, but what should we do in practice? (Mon Feb
28 2000 - 23:12:24 GMT)
* Re: Library cancelations (Tue Sep 28 1999 - 00:34:42 BST)
* Re: Library cancelations (Tue Sep 28 1999 - 00:34:29 BST)
* Re: Library cancelations (Thu Sep 23 1999 - 23:52:07 BST)
* Re: Library cancelations (Thu Sep 23 1999 - 09:15:02 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Fri Sep 18 1998
- 13:58:30 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Thu Sep 17 1998
- 23:19:28 BST)
# Albert Henderson <70244.1532_at_compuserve.com>
* Re: Savings from Converting to On-Line-Only: 30%- or 70%+ ?
(Tue Sep 22 1998 - 10:27:29 BST)
* Re: Science 4 September on Copyright (Tue Sep 15 1998 -
12:18:59 BST)
# Albert Henderson
* Re: Elsevier Science Policy on Public Web Archiving Needs
Re-Thinking (Fri Sep 25 1998 - 21:55:25 BST)
* Re: Savings from Converting to On-Line-Only: 30%- or 70%+ ?
(Thu Sep 24 1998 - 10:32:38 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Thu Sep 24 1998
- 10:25:57 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Sat Sep 19 1998
- 13:43:27 BST)
* Re: Science 4 September on Copyright (Thu Sep 17 1998 -
19:12:21 BST)
* Re: Science 4 September on Copyright (Thu Sep 17 1998 -
18:24:27 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Thu Sep 17 1998
- 12:59:04 BST)
* Re: Nature 10 September on Public Archiving (Wed Sep 16 1998
- 12:49:04 BST)
# Albert Henderson
* Spend More on Libraries (Tue May 11 1999 - 14:59:47 BST)
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