We publish and believe in open access to research articles, but not in a
free lunch. The $500 article processing fee has to be seen in the context of
an amount as much as ten times that, which is currently being forked out per
article by the scientific community.
Jan Velterop
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Story [mailto:a.c.story_at_UKC.AC.UK]
> Sent: 10 January 2003 13:21
> To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
> Subject: Re: Nature's vs. Science's Embargo Policy
>
>
> Yes, but speaking of "nothing new at all": how can BioMed
> claim to be the
> "gold standard" and say it believes in "open access" when
> there is a flat
> fee of US$500 ( a.k.a. the article-processing charge) for
> admission to the
> "open access" club in the first place. BioMed's user-pay
> toll-gate has just
> been moved further up the information superhighway.
>
> Alan Story
> Kent Law School
> Canterbury UK
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: September 1998 American Scientist Forum
> [mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG]On Behalf Of Jan
> Velterop
> Sent: Friday 10 January 2003 10:06
> To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
> Subject: Re: Nature's vs. Science's Embargo Policy
>
>
> I agree with Mike. Nature's new 'licence' is a
> 'pull-the-wool-over-your-eyes' version of what Elsevier calls the
> 'give-backs' and is nothing new at all, just a new PR
> exercise. Clever PR,
> to be sure, but certainly nothing like the "[Nature]...again led the
> planet's 20,000 peer-reviewed journals in introducing the optimal and
> inevitable copyright policy for the online era..." as Stevan
> would have it.
> For a start, the 90 or so peer-reviewed journals published by
> BioMed Central
> have a copyright and licensing policy that can truly be seen
> as leading:
> http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/about/license. No restrictions on
> self-archiving and further dissemination whatsoever. That
> should be the
> 'gold-standard', not Nature's feeble attempt to look good
> without delivering
> any substance worth mentioning. Congratulating Nature for
> putting a new
> gloss on basically an old stance seems unnecessary sycophancy to me.
>
> Decribing the new Nature licence as a 'gift horse' that
> shouldn't be looked
> in the mouth (in one of Stevan's earlier messages on this
> topic) is giving
> the wrong impression that the scholarly community should
> really sit back, be
> patient, shut up, swim on, wait what's being given to them and then be
> grateful for beads and mirrors. They should simply expect more from
> publishing, and demand the right to self-determination of
> what can be done
> with their articles. Besides, there would be no point in
> looking a dead
> horse in the mouth anyway, apart from performing an autopsy.
>
> Of course, authors could always re-format their papers and flip into
> 'subversive mode' again. They could always do that anyway,
> and Nature's new
> formulation of their restrictions doesn't make that any different.
>
> There is a lot to be cheerful and optimistic about with regard to open
> access, but Nature's copyright licence ain't amongst it. The question
> remains, if Nature really permits self-archiving (which is
> what Stevan seems
> to believe), why don't they make their research papers
> available in open
> access or at least freely available after a short time (say a
> month or two)?
> There's nothing to be lost for them that cannot be
> compensated by the gains
> they could make from such a policy, in my view. Open access
> advocates should
> keep up the pressure instead of relenting when offered a
> cigar from their
> own box.
>
> Jan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stevan Harnad [mailto:harnad_at_ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> > Sent: 10 January 2003 03:32
> > To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Nature's vs. Science's Embargo Policy
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Michael Eisen wrote:
> >
> > > NATURE: "How can I show my article to my colleagues? By
> > sending a link
> > > to the paper on your website. You may not distribute the
> > PDF by email,
> > > on listservs or on open archives. Please remember that
> > although the
> > > content of the article is your copyright, its
> > presentation (i.e. its
> > > typographical layout as a printed page) remains our copyright."
> >
> > That's just fine! Run the PDF through a PDF-to-HTML
> > converter, reformat it
> > trivially, and the layout is yours! (These details are
> > utterly *trivial*,
> > Mike, whereas the nontrivial, substantive part -- you may put your
> > refereed postprint on the web -- is *all* that was ever needed!)
> >
> > But I do believe they must have stopped giving lawyers logic
> > courses any
> > more as part of their degree! "You may not distribute the PDF
> > by email.
> > Send a link to it on your website instead." Gimme a break!
> >
> > And "You may not put it in an 'open archive' but only on a personal
> > website?" So my personal website is not allowed to be OAI-compliant?
> >
> > This is all papyrophilic juribabble based on defunct anlogies
> > with bygone
> > days and ways! It makes no sense. It is as technologically innocent
> > as it is blissfully free of logic. How can anyone even
> pretend to take
> > it seriously?
> >
> > "Your honour, the defendant's computer transferred this
> > open-access document
> > through the asynchronous sendmail protocol instead of synchronous
> > HTTP: Throw the book at him please." (Not to mention that
> this level
> > of monitoring would require something even more intrusive than the
> > Patriot Act!)
> >
> > > If somehow authors construe this as a license to
> > self-archive, that's great.
> > > But lets not give Nature credit for something they have not done.
> >
> > On the contrary, I think it's a very *good* strategy to give
> > Nature full
> > credit for what they have done -- to encourage the other journals to
> > hurry up and do likewise!
> >
> > Cheers (and cheer up!),
> >
> > Stevan
> >
>
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